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Starting in 2013, the number of watchers given per point will be reduced by 40% while the number of points given for each watch received will be increased by 67%.  This measure reflects the shifting quality of users giving watches.  Previously, nearly all accounts were permitted to earn points and thus the overall quality of the service was low.  Over time, filters have been put in place against all forms of alternate accounts, ensuring that users giving out activity are of a higher caliber.  However, these active users have not been compensated for their actions.

This policy change will affect all users who are featured in the donation widget at the start of the new year.  Those featured now and for the duration of 2012 will receive watchers (and other services) at the current rate.  After the new year, all users with outstanding balances will receive watchers at the new rate.  Users who give watchers will receive more points after the new year.


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The existing rate structure for watch/fav/llamas is a legacy from the early days when this account was founded.  Initially there were no requirements to receive points, so users were given few points for legitimate activity since their accounts were indistinguishable from alternate accounts (plz, point, adopt, etc).  However, in an effort to improve the services offered over time, filters have been put in place to sharply reduce the number of fake accounts acquiring points, yet legitimate users have not been equally compensated.  This has led to a build up of donors who can not receive the amount of activity currently advertised.  To rectify this imbalance, the rate structure between donors and recipients needs to be adjusted.

At the start of the new year, the new rate will take effect immediately.  This means that any users who are featured at that time will have their remaining balance given out at a different rate going forward and users will receive points from donors at an altered rate after that moment in time.  Users featured during the transition period will effectively receive a mix of the pre- and post- new year rates.  Users who donate now and until the end of the year will receive watchers at the current rate (For donating less than 100 points: dahub.deviantart.com/journal/G…; for donating over 100 points: dahub.deviantart.com/journal/N…).  The users who have donated before the end of the year and are still featured at the new year will have their points distributed at the altered rate going forward.  Those who initially donated 100 points or more will still receive 25% more activity, but after the new year this will be a 25% increase from the new rate.  Before the new year, donors of 100 points or more receive 25% more watchers at the current rate, and then after the new year their balance is reduced at a rate such that they receive 25% more activity than those who have donated less than 100 points.

This policy will take effect at the new year for all donations made from now until the end of the year.  I will contact those users who have donated before now and who are likely to have a remaining balance during the new year to ensure they will receive the advertised rate at the time that they donated (before this policy went into effect).  Aside from the users who receive a note from me, no exceptions will be made, this affects all users equally.
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RJAce1014 Featured By Owner Feb 4, 2013  Hobbyist Filmographer
No wonder my featured ends faster. It's kinda of unfair to those who can barely make points for feature than others who uses their bucks to pay-off. I think I'll wait for the next policy shift before I start featuring myself again, it's hard to commission these days of my busy schedule. I demand old donor policy back until then, I won't gain any great achievement if I donated 100 and get 75 which -25 plus not all watchers stay permanent, some unwatches after achieving the points. I understand about those multiple accounts issues in fact we just had one back in 2012 where I ask my friends and locate them all to dahub. I don't really know how you can function a bot with IP detector in dA unless you own the local domain or had administration access but I have no comment with the policy if you're trying to be strict with it.

So yeah, that's all, I really have no major talk about the policy change just the donor's policy and how 100 will be 75 and 1000 will be 750. I will miss dahub for a while or permanent then. Ciao*
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Alukei Featured By Owner Feb 3, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Why did you do that? p_e Isn't that kind of..unfair to the point donators?Sorry, I haven't quite understood the reason to why you did this reducing.
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:icondahub:
dAhub Featured By Owner Feb 3, 2013
> I haven't quite understood the reason to why you did this reducing
This article was written to answer the question you have just posed. I encourage you to read the article in its entirety

This measure reflects the shifting quality of users giving watches. Previously, nearly all accounts were permitted to earn points and thus the overall quality of the service was low. Over time, filters have been put in place against all forms of alternate accounts, ensuring that users giving out activity are of a higher caliber. However, these active users have not been compensated for their actions.

Before this rate change went into effect, donors were disproportionately benefiting from the historical pricing scheme. To avoid continuing to 'rip off' users giving out activity, the rate needed to be adjusted. Donors are receiving a better service now than they ever have in the past, it is only fair to the users receiving points that they be equally compensated.
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Alukei Featured By Owner Feb 3, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
I read the whole journal. I said I was confused by how you wrote the text, can you maybe put it in simpler terms for me? D: English is not my main language so I don't quite understand the whole "nearly all accounts were permitted to earn points?" And "quality was low". What exactly did you mean with all of that? o_O
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:icondahub:
dAhub Featured By Owner Feb 3, 2013
> "nearly all accounts were permitted to earn points?"
There are many kinds of accounts on deviantART. Typically users have a 'home' account, this is where artists upload artwork, post journals, talk with friends, etc. These are the accounts that should receive points through the services I offer.

There are other accounts on deviantART that have been "pressed into service" to do other things. Accounts like mine, *100millionPOINTS, =Point-Master-Pete and others are primarily focused on trading points are referred to as 'point' accounts.

There are 'role play' and 'ask' accounts where someone logs in and pretends to be a fictional character, answering questions as if they were their favorite cartoon character. There are 'plz' accounts, these accounts are set up so that users can use the account's avatar in comments, journals, etc.

Users also change accounts from time-to-time. dA allows premium members to alter their usernames by transferring their associations, friends, journals, content, etc to the new username. However, for the remaining 95% of non-premium users, the username can only be changed by creating an entirely new account and abandoning the old one. However, users can still log into the old account and request points. These abandoned and alternate accounts are not permitted to earn points through my services.

> "quality was low"
In the beginning, all user accounts were permitted to earn points. This meant that 'plz' accounts, 'role play' accounts, and all those listed above received points. The average quality of users giving activity was low because you had these 'fake' accounts giving out activity alongside 'real' accounts (users using their 'home' accounts). However, I have worked over time to put in filters that would extract 'fake' accounts while still allowing 'real' accounts to earn points. There are now 'Activity' and 'Eligibility' requirements. The number of accounts that can earn points now is far more limited, but of a much higher caliber (ideally, they are all 'home' accounts) than when this account was set up. Prior to the rate change, donors were getting just as many watchers, but of a far higher caliber, than when this account was set up. This posed problems for the reasons listed in the article, resulting in the need to adjust the watcher rate.
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Alukei Featured By Owner Feb 3, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Ahhhhh thanks so much for explaining! :hug: I understand now everything and I am sorry if I sounded rude before. ^^; I simply hadn't gotten everything ._. <3 That's a good thing that you cleaned it up a bit :) It's true, I was also annoyed that I got so many fake watchers >.< XD thanks!
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:icondahub:
dAhub Featured By Owner Feb 3, 2013
:) No worries. It's an ongoing process, and I don't think I'll ever make it function perfectly, but I'm doing everything I can to deliver a quality service.

The more advanced filters were implemented around the New Year, have you noticed a shift in the types of watchers you have received over the past month? If you don't mind me asking, what do you typically look for to determine if a user is giving a 'fake' watch?

I try not to pester donors with questions, and as a result I develop the filterers used on this account based on my own interpretations of what donors are looking for. I value any feedback I can get on how the service is performing.
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DianneDejarjayes Featured By Owner Jan 1, 2013   General Artist
I don't understand lol so if I donate 100 points how many watchers I would get?
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dAhub Featured By Owner Jan 1, 2013
75
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eReBuS45 Featured By Owner Dec 31, 2012  Student Writer
Wait, what? Could you use Layman's terms for me?
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:icondahub:
dAhub Featured By Owner Dec 31, 2012
Users who donate points: "Boo!"
Users who get points: "Yay!"
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eReBuS45 Featured By Owner Jan 1, 2013  Student Writer
Yay! Thanks
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angemuet Featured By Owner Dec 28, 2012
Can you tell me why I had 38 "blank" journal notices from dAhub right before or after this one? this isn't the first time this has happened. Thanks.
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dAhub Featured By Owner Dec 29, 2012
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rachel163735 Featured By Owner Dec 28, 2012  Student Artist
I'm somewhat confused... I haven't even gotten any points from fav/watching/llamaing.
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Boltthehedgehogrocks Featured By Owner Dec 28, 2012  Student Artist
How does someone get 0.6 watchers?
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:icondahub:
dAhub Featured By Owner Dec 28, 2012
That's the return per point, users donate many points.
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moonmystery Featured By Owner Dec 27, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
wait.....
but.....
right now ....

1pt = 1 watcher....
how will that work if the watchers given per point is decreased by 40%? o_o
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:icondahub:
dAhub Featured By Owner Dec 27, 2012
A reduction of 40% followed by an increase of 67% from the new value is unity. Users donating points get fewer watchers and users getting points get more points, it's an equal and opposite relationship.
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Daisukamaru Featured By Owner Dec 21, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Hi there! I don't know if this is intentional or not, but if the latter... I just want to mention that your donations are shown as Anonymous~
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:icondahub:
dAhub Featured By Owner Dec 21, 2012
Thank you for bringing this to my attention, I have fixed the problem
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SlashCharms Featured By Owner Dec 17, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Do llama's change? I did'nt see llama's anywhere :fear:
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:icondahub:
dAhub Featured By Owner Dec 18, 2012
fav/llamas are still the same
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puffingal101 Featured By Owner Dec 15, 2012  Student Artist
how do i featcher a group?
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:icondahub:
dAhub Featured By Owner Dec 15, 2012
See 'other options' section [link]
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puffingal101 Featured By Owner Dec 15, 2012  Student Artist
i did what is said but its featuring me insted...... but i wanted the group featured
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:icondahub:
dAhub Featured By Owner Dec 15, 2012
"feature :devGROUP-AvatarsAndDividers:"

"GROUP-AvatarsAndDividers" is not a group, please check your spelling when donating
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SecretKittyArtist Featured By Owner Dec 8, 2012
so that means we'll get more watchers, llamas and favs?
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RovanEth Featured By Owner Dec 25, 2012  Student Traditional Artist
I think it means we get less watchers, but those watching get more points for doing it. Llamas and favs stay the same.
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iskarlata Featured By Owner Dec 1, 2012
Very good! =D
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SecretKittyArtist Featured By Owner Nov 23, 2012
dude how come your bot is slow?
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dAhub Featured By Owner Nov 23, 2012
Sometimes I ride the bus and don't have a net connection, the bot needs the net to run.
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SecretKittyArtist Featured By Owner Dec 8, 2012
oh ok
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DragonWisper Featured By Owner Nov 13, 2012
I watched I while back but I never got any points :iconcraiplz:
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:iconadoptables-101:
Adoptables-101 Featured By Owner Nov 17, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Did you watch the users on the donation widget? Did you leave a comment on their page?
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DragonWisper Featured By Owner Nov 18, 2012
I watched one and said a comment that I was watching her
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desu-elimiator Featured By Owner Nov 23, 2012
You need to watch more than one person from the donation widget.
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DragonWisper Featured By Owner Nov 26, 2012
oh my bad. thanks
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Jessiewarriors Featured By Owner Nov 12, 2012  Student Photographer
It wont let me get any points you said its because I'm not active enough but I think its because I wasn't suposto reply, and I said thanks.so what do I do can u please tell me what I need to do to be active enough and I already read most of the stuff!
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:icondahub:
dAhub Featured By Owner Nov 12, 2012
Interacting with users outside of :devahub: [link] [link] [link]
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Jessiewarriors Featured By Owner Nov 14, 2012  Student Photographer
But how many favs and comments should i do?
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:icontheaverageperson:
TheAveragePerson Featured By Owner Nov 11, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Geez, I had no idea you were so technical, you sound like a financial advisor crossed with a corporate boss. I am impressed.
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:icondahub:
dAhub Featured By Owner Nov 11, 2012
:laughing: Thanks. I do actually view myself a little bit like that. I meant this account to be a proof of concept/experiment, but I've also had the opportunity to employ a fair amount of common managerial practices and some basic finance - point accounts are deceptively intricate it turns out.

I'm a graduate student in Aerospace Engineering, I'm pretty familiar with working with numbers. While my peers on dA are worried about their grades in their 8th grade math class [link], I'm tinkering with a simulation to model particles orbiting about the Lagrange points of the Earth-Moon system [link]
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Point-Master-Pete Featured By Owner Dec 24, 2012
Yeah, some people have to study in college to make a good point donor account. Some people (aka me) are just born good :rofl: Right dA?
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dAhub Featured By Owner Dec 24, 2012
Well, I learned all the programmed I needed to make this account in High School and then tinkering on my own, though all my finance knowledge comes from college courses, I'm really not sure if I would have done this if I hadn't gone to college.

I tip my hat to you, running an effective point account by hand is a big time commitment, that was pretty much my entire motivation for putting the bot together.
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Point-Master-Pete Featured By Owner Dec 24, 2012
lol I was just ribbing on you man. Thanks for the compliment I'm really proud of this account :) As this is my first time trying something like this. I will probably install a bot when I get tired of it, or go out with a big bang and donate all my points to 1 person in the biggest giveaway in Da history! :evillaugh:
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